Simulink Frequency Response Estimation
SkillAI & modelsEstimate frequency response from Simulink models using frestimate. Use when frequency response should be obtained from simulation rather than model linearization.
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Obtain frequency response data from Simulink models using simulation-based estimation (frestimate) when analytical linearization is not viable or as a validation tool.
When to Use
- Model contains hard discontinuities (PWM, switching, relay, quantizer) that linearize to zero or NaN
- Validating a linear model against a simulation based linearization of a Simulink model
- Estimating frequency response directly from simulation data
When NOT to Use
- Model linearizes cleanly with
linearize— usesimulink-linearizeinstead - Working with measured data only (no Simulink model) — use System Identification Toolbox
Workflow
1. Define I/O → 2. Choose Signal → 3. Configure → 4. Estimate → 5. Fit (optional)
(linio) (PRBS/Sinestream) (constraints) (frestimate) (tfest)
Stage 1: Define I/O Points
Determine I/O points for the estimation using this decision sequence. Use the first case that applies:
Case A — IO points can be inferred from prompt or model context:
Use the first sub-case that matches:
-
User specifies explicit I/O signals or blocks (e.g., "from r to y") → define
liniopoints. Allliniopoints must reference a block's output port. If a candidate block has no output ports (Outport, Terminator, Scope) → trace upstream to find the source block and port withmodel_read.io = [linio(sprintf("%s/InputBlock", mdl), 1, "input"); ... linio(sprintf("%s/OutputBlock", mdl), 1, "output")]; -
Root-level Inport/Outport blocks exist → use
model_readat root scope (depth"0") to identify root-level Inport/Outport blocks, then define linio at those blocks (trace Outport blocks upstream to their source for the output linio point).
Case B — Cannot determine IO points:
If none of the above apply → do not guess. Ask the user which signals to use as estimation input and output. Present the available blocks/signals from the model to help them decide.
Pre-flight checks (before choosing a signal):
- Verify I/O points are NOT at blocks without output ports (Outport, Terminator, Scope)
- Check sample times at I/O points — both must match the perturbation signal rate, or both must be continuous
- Consider whether the model has time-varying source blocks (Step, Ramp, Signal Generator, etc.) that could drive the system away from its steady-state operating point during estimation. If so, see Disabling Time-Varying Sources below.
Stage 2: Choose Perturbation Signal
Decision (follow in order):
- Is broadband estimation sufficient (most cases)? → Use
frest.PRBS(DEFAULT) - Is the model discrete? → Use
frest.PRBSwithTsmatching the I/O sample time, orfrest.createFixedTsSinestreamif per-frequency data needed - Do you need precise magnitude/phase at specific frequencies? → Use
frest.Sinestream(continuous) orfrest.createFixedTsSinestream(discrete)
Prefer frest.PRBS — it estimates the full frequency range in a single simulation. Sinestream simulates each frequency sequentially and is significantly slower for broadband estimation.
Stage 3: Configure the Signal
PRBS (default):
in = frest.PRBS(Ts=Ts, Amplitude=0.01, Order=10, NumPeriods=2);
If the I/O signal is discrete, set Ts to match the signal sample time. If continuous, set Ts to a value that provides sufficient temporal resolution. Choose Amplitude small enough to stay in the linear regime of saturations/nonlinearities.
Why PRBS first? A single PRBS simulation estimates the full frequency range at once. Sinestream simulates each frequency sequentially — for 30 frequencies with 8 periods each, this can take 10-100x longer. Use Sinestream only when you need precise per-frequency data (e.g., gain/phase margin at specific crossover frequencies).
Sinestream (continuous models):
in = frest.Sinestream(Frequency=logspace(-1, 2, 30), Amplitude=0.01);
in.NumPeriods = 8;
in.SettlingPeriods = 3;
The filtering constraint: NumPeriods - SettlingPeriods >= 3 when ApplyFilteringInFRESTIMATE = "on" (default). Violating this throws an error at estimation time.
Fixed-Ts Sinestream (discrete models):
Ts = 0.01;
in = frest.createFixedTsSinestream(Ts, {wmin, wmax});
in.Amplitude = 0.01;
in.NumPeriods = 8;
in.SettlingPeriods = 3;
Use the cell syntax {wmin, wmax} for the frequency range — this auto-selects frequencies that are valid integer divisors of the sampling frequency. Do NOT pass an explicit frequency vector:
% CORRECT — cell syntax auto-selects valid frequencies
in = frest.createFixedTsSinestream(Ts, {wmin, wmax});
% WRONG — explicit vector (most frequencies violate integer-multiple constraint)
in = frest.createFixedTsSinestream(Ts, logspace(-1, 2, 30)); % Error
When to use Sinestream instead of PRBS:
- PRBS results are too noisy (high variance at individual frequencies)
- Need precise magnitude/phase at specific frequencies
- Very nonlinear system where broadband excitation causes intermodulation
Check simulation time: Always verify that the signal duration is practical before launching the estimation:
tFinal = getSimulationTime(in);
fprintf("Estimated simulation time: %.1f seconds\n", tFinal);
If tFinal is too big compared to Ts, use larger lower frequency bounds for estimation.
Stage 4: Estimate
Determine where to start the experiment. Choose one:
| Situation | Approach |
|---|---|
| Model ICs | Skip — frestimate uses model initial conditions |
| Steady-state trim | operspec → configure → findop |
| Need snapshot from simulation | findop(mdl, tSnapshot) |
| Operating point known | operpoint object → configure |
sysest = frestimate(mdl, op, io, in, opts);
op and opts are optional arguments. If op is not provided, the experiment will start at model initial conditions.
opts is a frestimateOptions object. Pass it when time-varying sources need to be disabled (see below).
The result is an frd (frequency response data) object.
Stage 5: Fit Parametric Model (Optional)
Only perform this step if a parametric model (transfer function, state-space, zpk) is required. If the goal is frequency response data only (e.g., Bode plot, gain/phase margins from frd), stop after Stage 4.
Convert the non-parametric frd to a parametric model:
sysFit = tfest(sysest, np, nz);
fprintf("Fit: %.1f%%\n", sysFit.Report.Fit.FitPercent);
Disabling Time-Varying Sources
Time-varying source blocks (Step, Ramp, Signal Generator, etc.) can drive the model away from its steady-state operating point during estimation. When this happens, the system does not remain near the operating point and the estimated response is unreliable — gain estimates can be off by orders of magnitude while executing without error.
When to disable sources:
- The model contains source blocks (other than the perturbation input) that change value during the estimation simulation
- Estimation results are implausible or don't match an expected linearization
- The time-domain response does not reach steady state at individual frequencies
How to identify and disable them:
Use frest.findSources to identify time-varying source blocks in the estimation path, then set BlocksToHoldConstant so they are held at their initial value during estimation:
srcblks = frest.findSources(mdl, io);
opts = frestimateOptions;
opts.BlocksToHoldConstant = srcblks;
sysest = frestimate(mdl, io, in, opts);
Note: frest.findSources requires model compilation. The perturbation input is not affected by BlocksToHoldConstant.
The Fallback Pattern
When linearize returns zero, follow this sequence:
% 1. Try linearize
sys = linearize(mdl, io);
if dcgain(sys) == 0
% 2. Disable time-varying sources if present
srcblks = frest.findSources(mdl, io);
opts = frestimateOptions;
opts.BlocksToHoldConstant = srcblks;
% 3. Fall back to frestimate with PRBS
in = frest.PRBS(Ts=Ts, Amplitude=0.01, Order=10, NumPeriods=2);
sysest = frestimate(mdl, io, in, opts);
% 4. Fit parametric model
sysFit = tfest(sysest, 2);
end
Do NOT use manual block substitution (replace_block) as a workaround for zero linearization. The frestimate approach is generalizable to any discontinuous model without requiring domain knowledge of each block's averaged equivalent.
Key Functions
| Function | Purpose | Available From |
|---|---|---|
frestimate | Estimate frequency response from Simulink | R2009b |
frest.findSources | Identify time-varying source blocks to hold constant | R2010b |
frestimateOptions | Options including BlocksToHoldConstant | R2010a |
frest.PRBS | Pseudorandom binary sequence signal | R2020a |
frest.Sinestream | Multi-sine perturbation signal | R2009b |
frest.createFixedTsSinestream | Fixed sample time sinestream | R2009b |
getSimulationTime | Check signal duration before running | R2012a |
tfest | Fit transfer function to frequency data | R2012a |
ssest | Fit state-space model to frequency data | R2012a |
Common Mistakes
| Mistake | Why It Fails | Correct Approach |
|---|---|---|
| Not disabling time-varying sources | Source blocks drive the model away from its steady-state operating point, producing unreliable estimates without error | Use frest.findSources to identify sources, set opts.BlocksToHoldConstant to disable them |
Using replace_block to work around zero linearization | Requires domain knowledge of averaged equivalents; doesn't generalize | Use frestimate with PRBS — works for any discontinuous model |
Setting NumPeriods=5, SettlingPeriods=3 with filtering on | Violates NumPeriods - SettlingPeriods >= 3 constraint | Use NumPeriods=8, SettlingPeriods=3 or disable filtering |
| Output linio at different rate than input signal | frestimate rejects multi-rate I/O configurations | Place both I/O points at blocks matching the signal's sample time |
Only using frest.Sinestream (ignoring PRBS) | Sinestream is much slower — simulates each frequency sequentially | Start with frest.PRBS for broadband estimation; use Sinestream only when frequency-by-frequency precision is needed |
| Large perturbation amplitude near saturations | Drives system into nonlinear regime, corrupting estimation | Choose amplitude small relative to saturation limits (e.g., 1-5% of range) |
Conventions
- Always: Consider whether time-varying sources could drive the model from its operating point — use
frest.findSourcesandBlocksToHoldConstantto disable them - Prefer:
frest.PRBSfor broadband estimation — faster than Sinestream for most workflows - Always: Use cell syntax
{wmin, wmax}withfrest.createFixedTsSinestream - Always: Ensure
NumPeriods - SettlingPeriods >= 3when filtering is enabled - Always: Place I/O points at rate-compatible blocks for multi-rate models
- Always: Call
getSimulationTime— Validate signal duration before running. Long simulations relative to max solver step size should prompt redesign. - Prefer:
frestimateover manual block substitution for discontinuous models - Prefer:
tfestorssestfor fitting parametric models tofrdresults - Prefer: Small amplitude — Keep perturbation small enough to stay in the locally linear regime (typically 1-5% of operating range).
- Never: Use
replace_blockas a general linearization workaround
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